Rosh Hashanah 31b Part 3/4

AI summary (may contain mistakes)

Which was the ninth takana of Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai? Rav Papa says kerem revai, letting it be redeemed near Yerushalayim after the Churban. Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak says the lashon shel zehoris, tied on the rock instead of the Ulam door. The Gemara challenges each side: Rabbi Eliezer's talmidim called Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai his friend, not his Rebbe, and the red thread never turned white in his teaching years.

Key points

• In Rabbi Yochanan's name, kerem revai within a day's walk went up to adorn Yerushalayim's markets with fruit.
• Rabbi Eliezer's talmidim told him his colleagues had already permitted it, since after the Churban there are no markets to adorn.
• The beraisa moves the red thread from outside the Ulam to inside, then to the rock, so nobody would be saddened.
• Rav Papa answers that talmidim saying 'your Rebbe' to their Rebbe is not derech eretz, so they said 'your friend'.
• Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak answers that the idea came in his learning years, and his Rebbe set it in his name.

In this shiur

1. 0:00Rav Papa: kerem revai
2. 2:27Rabbi Eliezer's kerem revai
3. 6:17A story of trains before Shavuos
4. 7:48Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak: lashon shel zehoris
5. 14:01Chaveirecha: friend or Rebbe
6. 19:07Did the thread turn white then
7. 24:51A suggestion made as a talmid
8. 27:52Going over the sugya inside
9. 37:28Review of both sides

Topics

• Kerem Revai
• Lashon Shel Zehoris
• Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai
• Takanos