Sukkah 50b Part 9/9

AI summary (may contain mistakes)

Is the chalil of the Beis HaMikdash docheh Shabbos? Rav Yosef puts the machlokes on the shir of the korban. He holds the main shira is with the instrument, so it is an avodah, while the chalil of the Simchas Beis HaShoeva is not docheh Shabbos. The Gemara tests Rav Yosef against klei shareis of wood, Rav Papa's three-way machlokes, a beraisa and our Mishnah, and the Mishnah's words leave him refuted.

Key points

• Rav Yosef holds the main shira is with the instrument, so the korban's chalil is docheh Shabbos.
• The Gemara reads the dispute on wooden klei shareis in other ways, unconnected to the shira.
• Perhaps all hold the shira is by mouth, and the dispute is what playing shows about yichus.
• Rav Yosef concedes the beraisa argues about the shoeva, but says they argue about the korban too.
• Our Mishnah calls only the chalil of the shoeva not docheh Shabbos, which refutes Rav Yosef.

In this shiur

1. 0:00Rav Yosef on the chalil machlokes
2. 2:46Proof from wooden klei shareis
3. 4:19Disconnecting the two machlokes
4. 8:42Rav Papa on who played the chalil
5. 11:04Playing the chalil and yichus
6. 14:44The beraisa on the shir of the shoeva
7. 18:30Our Mishnah against Rav Yosef
8. 21:18Questions from the room

Topics

• Simchas Beis HaShoeva
• Klei Shareis
• Shir Shel Korban
• Yichus