Sukkah 50a Part 1/3

AI summary (may contain mistakes)

Our Mishnah has the Shabbos water for nisuch hamayim drawn Friday night into a kli that is not holy, so it will not become pasul b'lina. Why not use a kli shareis and keep the water from becoming holy, by overfilling past three lug or by having no daas? Ze'iri rejects both assumptions, while Chizkiah and Rabbi Zeira grant one or both and point to maris ayin, an onlooker concluding that lina is no problem.

Key points

• Ze'iri holds there is no maximum and a kli shareis sanctifies even without daas.
• Chizkiah agrees there is no maximum but holds a kli shareis sanctifies only with daas.
• In Chizkiah's view, an onlooker who never knows the daas will conclude lina is no problem.
• For Rabbi Zeira, an onlooker seeing over three lug assumes the water is for kiddush yadayim v'raglayim.
• Rabbi Zeira grants both assumptions only for argument's sake, without committing to how the halacha goes.

In this shiur

1. 0:00Drawing the water Friday night and lina
2. 2:11Two workarounds with a kli shareis
3. 3:03Ze'iri rejects both assumptions
4. 5:32Chizkiah on daas and the onlooker
5. 8:09Rabbi Zeira and kiddush yadayim v'raglayim
6. 13:06Question about using the kiyor
7. 14:42Reviewing the sugya inside again
8. 21:45Rabbi Zeira speaking it out

Topics

• Nisuch HaMayim
• Pasul b'Lina
• Kli Shareis
• Maris Ayin