Sukkah 50a Part 3/3

AI summary (may contain mistakes)

Was the main shira in the Beis HaMikdash the instrument or the singing? Rav Yosef says this one question decides whether the chalil overrides Shabbos and whether a wooden kli shareis is kosher, learning from the wooden abuva of Moshe. The Gemara suggests that the wooden kli dispute perhaps rests instead on learning possible from impossible, or on klal u'frat versus ribui u'miut.

Key points

• Neither Amora erred: she'eivah recalls drawing water with joy, and chashuvah calls the mitzvah chashuva.
• Rav Yosef holds all agree simchas beis hashoeivah does not override Shabbos, only the korban's shir.
• Rav Yosef links both machlokesim to ikar shira b'kli, through the wooden abuva of Moshe.
• The Gemara suggests the wooden kli dispute perhaps hinges on learning possible from impossible.
• From the Menorah pasuk, klal u'frat u'klal includes only metals, while ribui u'miut excludes only earthenware.

In this shiur

1. 0:00Opening
2. 1:04The Mishnah of the chalil
3. 1:48Girsos she'eivah and chashuvah
4. 5:01Rav Yosef on ikar shira
5. 9:35Klei shareis made of wood
6. 19:03Learning possible from impossible
7. 26:21Klal u'frat versus ribui u'miut
8. 30:42Applying the two derashos to the Menorah

Topics

• Simchas Beis HaShoeivah
• Ikar Shira
• Klei Shareis
• Klal u'Frat