Sukkah 50b Part 2/9

AI summary (may contain mistakes)

What do Rebbi and Rabbi Yosi b'Rabbi Yehuda really argue about when they argue over a wooden klei shareis? The Gemara first ties the machlokes to whether ikkar shira is bekli or bepeh, then takes that link apart option by option. The final suggestion is that the dispute is a question of darshening, klal uprat against ribui umiut, shown through the pasuk of the menorah. The second school of thought is left for Monday.

Key points

• Holding ikkar shira bekli makes the chalil an avodah, so the chalil is docheh Shabbos.
• Rebbi disqualifies a wooden klei shareis, and Rabbi Yosi b'Rabbi Yehuda learns from Moshe's wooden abuv to permit one.
• The Gemara then suggests everyone holds bekli, and the dispute is danin efshar mishe'i efshar.
• The Gemara's last suggestion has the dispute as darshening klal uprat or ribui umiut.
• By klal uprat uklal the menorah must resemble the gold, meaning any metal, and wood is out.

In this shiur

1. 0:00Chalil and ikkar shira
2. 1:45Beraisa on a wooden klei shareis
3. 4:58Danin efshar mishe'i efshar
4. 6:30Perhaps everyone holds ikkar shira bepeh
5. 10:25Thirteen middos and klal uprat uklal
6. 11:38The pasuk of the menorah
7. 14:06Klal uprat or ribui umiut
8. 17:01Ke'ein haprat and metal

Topics

• Ikkar Shira
• Klei Shareis
• Klal Uprat Uklal
• Ribui Umiut